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Info-Hams Digest            Tue, 17 May 94       Volume 94 : Issue  538

Today's Topics:
                          Final QTH Monument
                   Gun Owners: Protect your Rights!
                    Large Amateur Radio File Forum
                     Looking for a code program.
                   Man named Loomis invented radio?
              Massachusetts Amateur Radio Internet Lists
                             Need Advice
                              Pactor-II
                         personal autopatch c
                        repeater slang/lingo.
                             sacred freqs
                   TM6JUN, D-Day 50th anniversary.
                               VK land
                WANTED : TEKTRONIX 7000 series plug-in

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Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 13:09:52 GMT
From: netcomsv!netcom.com![e-mail]
Subject: Final QTH Monument
To: [e-mail]

In article <2r8v1b$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Michael G. Beck) writes:
>
>How very morbid,

Headstones are nothing if not morbid (look up 'morbid.')

>not to mention very poor taste!

Ever see the average ham, dressed for a Ham-Fest?

'CQ' is not to be confused with 'GQ'

Greg

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Date: 16 May 1994 12:40:24 +1000
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.oz.au!foxhound.dsto.gov.au!fang.dsto.gov.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!news.adelaide.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!metro!news.ci.com.au!eram.esi.com.au!not-for-mail@@.
Subject: Gun Owners: Protect your Rights!
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]>,
    [e-mail] (Winston Smith)  writes:

| Agreed that the message is in the wrong place, but likewise your logic
| that no one NEEDS assault weapons can be turned around:
|
| "No one NEEDS the HF frequencies, especially for some dumb ..hobby..

Like all analogies, yours has a weakness: were HF frequencies designed
to kill people?

--
Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU)    VK2KFU @ VK2AAB.NSW.AUS.OC     PGP 2.3
[e-mail]           ...munnari!esi.COM.AU!dave    available

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Date: 17 May 1994 13:10:31 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!agate!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!noc.near.net!transfer.stratus.com![e-mail]
Subject: Large Amateur Radio File Forum
To: [e-mail]

The CMP BBS has a large variety of Amateur Radio and Scanner related
files. It is online 24 hours a day and can be reached at 508-478-9200.
The first 50 files can be downloaded at no charge.

Jay

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Date: 16 May 94 15:58:30 EDT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!emory!news-feed-2.peachnet.edu!darwin.sura.net!wvnvms!marshall.wvnet.edu![e-mail]
Subject: Looking for a code program.
To: [e-mail]

I just passed the test for my novice and technichian licence. Now I
have a 14 week wait for my licence. I am now looking for a good
morse code tutoring program in IBM format. If anyone knows where
I can find one, buying or down loading. It would be appreciiated.
Thanks in advace.

--
Cliff Haddox   "Norm"       [e-mail]

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Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 14:57:49 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!gumby!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news1.oakland.edu!rcsuna.gmr.com!kocrsv01![e-mail]
Subject: Man named Loomis invented radio?
To: [e-mail]

In article <2r8f28$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Bradley T Banko) writes:
[...]
> I read something recently that a man named Loomis might have
> "invented" radio in the late 1800's before Marconi & Hertz et al.
[...]
> Does anybody else know more about this?
[...]

Dr. Loomis was a dentist. If I remember correctly, he used a non-powered
system where he simply connected his "transmitting" antennae to ground via
a telegraph key. I assume that at all time a very small potential
difference existed between the antennae and ground, when the key opened and
closed, a small current flowed and excited the antennae at its resonant
frequency. I'm not sure what  he used as a detector, but it did work.

I read about this in one of the ham magazines over ten years ago, so I
can't remember all the details.

Often you can see this effect with a TV set. Connect a set of rabbit ears
to a TV set and tune in a weak station. One that is right on the verge of
snow, but not too bad. Then cut a metal rod to about 1/4 wave at the
appropriate frequency. Hold this rod in the plane of the rabbit ears (same
polarization) and tap the rod with a metal screwdriver. Many times you can
get "sparkles" in the picture by doing this.

--
Jim Buchanan                    N9SDV
[e-mail]  (Does the "c22" stand for "catch 22"?)
[e-mail]

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Date: 17 May 94 09:30:20 -0600
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!uwec.edu!hemp![e-mail]
Subject: Massachusetts Amateur Radio Internet Lists
To: [e-mail]

TSTADER ([e-mail]) wrote:
: To further this goal... if you would not mind, would you please e-mail me any
: of the known lists that you are on or are aware of. At some point in time when
: we have a comprehensive list, I will repost the information to the net or JUST
: to those who are on the list. Your comments are welcome.

Just thinking out loud; a couple of new useful groups  might be:
rec.radio.amateur.traffic    For traffic handling
rec.radio.amateur.hamfest    For anouncements of hamfests

I'm not doing a call for votes or anything like that, just sending a
couple groups up the flag pole and seeing who will salute.

-Mike

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Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 11:45:15 EDT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!psuvm!wvnvm![e-mail]
Subject: Need Advice
To: [e-mail]

     I am interested in getting my father started using ham radio. (he
is an avid CB'r so the initial interest is there.)  I am looking for
some direction with regard to "what would be a good starter set?"
A friend has recommended a Yaesu FT2200, Astron Power supply and
antenna.  Does anyone concur?  Have any other ideas?  I do need some
help.

tony

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Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 13:20:08 GMT
From: netcomsv!netcom.com![e-mail]
Subject: Pactor-II
To: [e-mail]

Steven L Goldstein ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I saw mention of an up-and-coming mode called Pactor-II, which uses DSP
: technology to increase throughput. Can anyone tell me more about this
: mode? When will it be available? Should I hold off buying a multimode
: controller until this mode is available?

: tnx es 73 de KB2PWM, Steve Goldstein

Pactor II is a major revision of Pactor I (known as simply "Pactor")  It
will allegedly feature thruput similar to that of Clover.  It will, it is
said, also feature multiple tones (i.e. more than 2 toned FSK) which will
mean that the popular TNCs of today will not support it.

Whether Pactor II will catch on is highly doubtful.  Because of the
likelihood that to use it you will need a new and expensive TNC.  This is
why the Clover mode, which also has better thruput than Pactor or RTTY,
has failed to catch on with most digital hams.

Kantronics has come out with a new mode called GTOR, which features
dual-tone FSK and thus is compatible with all multimode TNCs (to the best
of my knowledge).  It is presently only offered by Kantronics, although
they have offerred to license it to the other TNC manufacturers.  There
is controversy as to whether GTOR performs at or near the level of Clover
(don't ask me, I use an AEA PK232 :-)  )

Bottom line: heck no, don't put it off.  Get a TNC and get up on
digital!  It's too much fun to put off waiting for the next mode.
There's ALWAYS a next mode!  :-)

73
--
                                             [e-mail]
                                             Glendale, CA
                                             AB6WR

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Date: 16 May 94 04:07:00 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!convex!news.duke.edu!duke!wolves!psybbs!1-151-160-0![e-mail]
Subject: personal autopatch c
To: [e-mail]

HT>Your advice SUCKS. What in the world is the autopatch for? WRONG.
HT>Whatever YOU answered, its WRONG. Thats because whatever I DECIDE to

HT>FEEL is 'inappropriate'????????

HT>  We dont need bully channel-cops like you around. Go beat your kids
HT>into submission again and get the hell off this newsgroup. We already
HT>have part 97 and its QUITE CLEAR on what it allows and doesnt allow,

HT>calls are free, IT DOESNT. So, USE THE PATCH WHENEVER YOU FEEL LIKE IT,
HT>HAMS.. Just stay within the LAW, not the holier-than-thou ideals of
HT>no-brain OLD FARTS like THIS GUY!!!!

When you own a repeater, have to keep it up, and listen to 45 minutes
of phone calls from a person who is looking to kill time on the patch
during his ride home...or kids arguing with parents...or idiots calling
in 911 to check their DTMF pad, or gobs of people who say "Hi honey, got
the house in sight", you can spout off. Otherwise, take a hike. Repeater
licensees have their call on the line every time the patch is brought
up. In fact, any third party traffic is sticky business. Put your call
on a repeater and then loose it because you let someone step just a
little too far...it's not worth it. Phone patches in general are
dropping off repeaters or being closed due to ops' abuse. Think a bit
about the repeater licensee's position in the matter first...you or no
one else have the right to jepardize thier call sign. It's OK if you
think its the "Holier-than-thou old farts syndrome", but you'll have to
live with it...
___
 X OLX 2.2 X ...SHIN - A device for finding furniture in the dark.

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Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 15:55:13 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!psgrain!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!torn!uunet.ca!uunet.ca!scilink!gts!comspec!problem!vigard![e-mail]
Subject: repeater slang/lingo.
To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Alan Bloom) writes:
>But saying "Hi Hi" on voice is kind of a nerdy ham thing to do.  A real
>human chuckle gets the message across much better.

oh gawd, the shame.  i've been saying "colon, dash, close parenthesis" all
this time ... :-)
--
Matthew Francey                     [e-mail]   (or [e-mail])
AX25: VE3RQX@VE3RZR.#SCON.ON.CAN    GPS(NAD27): N43o34.210' W079o34.563' +0093m

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Date: 17 May 1994 08:51:16 -0700
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.cerf.net!bengal.oxy.edu!mcws![e-mail]
Subject: sacred freqs
To: [e-mail]

After reading Greg Bullough's reply, I find that I cannot agree more.
I am rather annoyed with those who decide a particular frequency is for
a particular use.  If you want a frequency, wait until it's clear and
then use it!  If you don't want to wait, move to a nearby frequency and
later move to your pet number when it clears.

The other side of this coin is the contest situation on weekends.  As a
relaxed rag chewer, I find the contest people rude and aggressive.
What's worse, they are ubiquitous!  I simply cannot find a clear
frequency to have a conversation.  If I wait long enough I can find a
hole and jump in with high power and call CQ.  But I get no answers
because all the others like me have turned off their radios in disgust.

I have asked many times if those who set up contests would please leave
space on each band where those who don't choose to participate could
congregate and enjoy the traditional aspects of this wonderful hobby,
things like conversation and message handling and so on.  But I get
mostly rude replies, inviting me to join in with the phony 59 reports
and numbers that have no meaning to me.

A lesser annoyance is the continual request for 10-10 numbers when
operating on 10m.  I don't have a 10-10 number and have no plans to
get one, and I am happy to so state.  But it's one of several reasons
I operate very little on 10m.  It's a good band when it's open, but I
usually opt for frequencies above 28.5 MHz when I get on there.  I do
a little CW at the low end, and that's fun too.  Repeater operation at
the high end, above 29.5 MHz, is fun but seems a bit silly since I can
usually hear the other guy direct better than through the repeater
(for simple technical reasons that I won't go into here).

The bottom line is, let's all have fun and not tread on one another!
If you get so wound up in one aspect of the hobby that you get annoyed
with those who don't share your interest, then it's time to think about
why you are doing it and put yourself in the position of those who are
at the other end of your vitriol.

I'm not trying to annoy anyone here, just some food for thought.

73 DE K6DDX

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Date: 17 May 1994 14:06:43 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lille1.fr!ciril.fr!news.imag.fr!univ-lyon1.fr![e-mail]
Subject: TM6JUN, D-Day 50th anniversary.
To: [e-mail]

 Hi, for those who might care :

 TM6JUN - will be set up during the celebration of D-Day 50th anniversary.
At least five special QSL cards have been edited.
The station will be located in Utah Beach, Cotentin and will be operated by
multi-national hams, from June 4th to June 11th.

 Frequencies :

 CW : 3.554 , 7.030 , 14.044 , 21.044 , 28.044
SSB : 3.775 , 7.070 , 14.244 , 21.344 , 28.444
VHF : 144.244 and satellite traffic.

 QSL via F6KFW, BP 234, 50102 CHERBOURG CEDEX, France.

 Best 73 and good luck !

 Vincent, F1RCS.

--

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Date: 17 May 1994 06:02:59 -0700
From: nntp.crl.com!crl.crl.com![e-mail]
Subject: VK land
To: [e-mail]

Mark Readman ([e-mail]) wrote:

: What is a good time and frequency to hear hams in
: New Zealand or Australia. I usually listen to cw. I live in
: Montreal. Thanks.
: Mark.
: --
: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
: Mark Readman                |  McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines
: [e-mail]  |  McGill University, Montreal.
: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I work lots of VK, ZL and JA stations on 40 CW about 6AM CST from the
mobile on the way to work (7.0 to 7.030).

Smitty, NA5K

--
Henry Smith ([e-mail])

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Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 10:24:52 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!sdd.hp.com!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!hkuxb.hku.hk!hkucc.hku.hk![e-mail]
Subject: WANTED : TEKTRONIX 7000 series plug-in
To: [e-mail]

Dear sir,

I wish to find some TEKTRONIX 7000 series plug-ins ;

especially the 7A26 Vert. amp. & 7B23 Time-base.

I'm living in Hong Kong, and will pay good price for the plug-in,
please email the detail & price to us.

Thanks,

Simon
[e-mail]

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Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 13:02:49 GMT
From: netcomsv!netcom.com![e-mail]
To: [e-mail]

References <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>sv
Subject : Re: Was this a bad idea?

In article <[e-mail]> Ed Ellers <[e-mail]> writes:
>Robert Casey <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>>I think what happened here is there may be laws other than what the FCC
>>rules say that that Ham got trouble from.  The FCC may say "no problem",
>>but the state or county or city has a law saying "never do this no matter
>>what".  Which adds up to you can't do it.
>
>Except that the Communications Act overrides such local laws.  The FCC (and
>IRAC, in the case of Federal agencies) gets to say who can and can't transmit
>on which frequencies; no one below the Federal level has such authority.

Except that local authorities don't give a good god damn about law. What
they care about is their authority. Which they maintain by doing what they
want to do anyway, thus putting their 'victim' in the position of having
to go through the legal system to get justice. They know full well that:

    a) even if they 'lose' in the legal system, by putting
       the 'subject' through the system, they have exacted
       punishment in the form of time, stress, and financial
       costs. This will teach the person not to 'mess' with
       them in the future
    b) there is little consequence for such abuses of authority,
       as the cards are stacked in favor of 'the system' as
       regards liability and compensation

Greg

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Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 13:00:05 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com![e-mail]
To: [e-mail]

References <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>o
Subject : Re: sacred frequencies

Jeffrey Herman ([e-mail]) wrote:
: >
: >
: >: Jim Hollenback, WA6SDM
: >
: >FWIW, the only one of those freqs I'd ever heard of was 14.230.

: Then you need to put up a better antenna. The maritime net on 14300 kc
: has been around for at least 20 years handling traffic, WX and phone
: patches for sailors in the Pacific. Back in '82 I sailed a boat from
: Hawaii to San Francisco and checked into that net daily - they provided
: phone patches to the Weather Service and to my parents daily.

: At any one time there are dozens of sailboats plying the Pacific and
: 14300 provides a lifeline for them. Distress and medical calls are
: handled periodically on there. The Coast Guard will, when necessary,
: put their 10kW xmtr on 14300 to directly handle a distress call.


I've used the maritime net several times, both by running traffic from
sailboats, and from a sailboat.  Have done a lot of things over the past
28 years of amateur radio.

But chum, if someone gave me a pop quiz regarding what freq they operate
on, or what times they are on it, no way would I get the answer right.
I'll bet you a six-pack of budweiser that 99% of all hams are in the same
boat :)

And that's the point: we listen, we ask if the freq is in use, and if it
ain't, then it is free for use which is legal per part 97.  As I have
said (and as many others have said) on this thread, if a station broke
into my qso (as happens more often than I wish it did) and said that they
were about to start a net on the freq in question, no problem about
yielding the freq although it would be my right not to do so.  I can't
remember a time when I heard an amateur refuse to yield under similar
conditions.  On the other hand, as Jack Nicholson said in "A Few Good
Men"--"First you have to ask me nicely."  :-)

What got this thread going originally was an observation by someone that
often those who wish a frequency yielded to them are not polite.  They
don't ask nicely.  They are indignant that anyone would be sufficiently
combative (yes, the word was used in exactly this context)to dare to use
this or that freq which some narrow segment of the hobby, whether it be
traffic handlers or dxers or just good old boys, consider their own.  This
attitude is not appropriate.

Here in the US, and particularly in Southern California, there are many
many many people upgrading to general, advanced and extra by way of the
new no-code entry-level license.  I suspect that these ops (good ops, by
the way) will be less enthusiastic about some of the so-called
conventions which some of us old timers may feel apply to this or that
frequency.  Probably they won't even know about 'em.

Should be fun.

--
                                             [e-mail]
                                             Glendale, CA
                                             AB6WR

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Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 13:03:48 GMT
From: netcomsv!netcom.com![e-mail]
To: [e-mail]

References <2qqt3k$[e-mail]>,<[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>
Subject : Re: HAM RADIO RUDENESS

[e-mail] wrote:

: Ive decided to quit saving for a HF rig after following this discussion.

Don't feel that way.  Get the HF rig and ignore the few jerks who are
rude on the air.  There are not many of them.
--
                                             [e-mail]
                                             Glendale, CA
                                             AB6WR

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Date: 16 May 1994 12:28:47 +1000
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.oz.au!foxhound.dsto.gov.au!fang.dsto.gov.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!news.adelaide.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!metro!news.ci.com.au!eram.esi.com.au!not-for-mail@@.
To: [e-mail]

References <2qddq5$[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>.au
Subject : Re: Was this a bad idea?

[ Note followup ]

In article <[e-mail]>,
    [e-mail] (John Rice) writes:

| Tell that to the Ham in California who had his equipment confiscated (with the
| tacit approval of the FCC) when he used a 2M HT on a Public Safety frequency
| to call in Emergency Medical assistance, after other methods of communications
| failed (ham, Cell Phone).

The fact that his (Amateur) hand-held had been deliberately modified to
transmit out of band had nothing to do with it?  I understand that's what
pissed off the Sheriff's department so much - not that he used that band,
but that the rig was modified to use it...

In Australia that would cop you a $10,000 fine and/or gaol.

Let's distinguish between transmitting out of band (OK) and having the
ability to transmit out of band (annoys the authorities).  Those who argue
that a life was saved as a result should probably support issuing 2m
hand-helds to all citizens - they might be able to use them one day, but
in the meantime we'll trust them to not misuse this privilege.

--
Dave Horsfall (VK2KFU)    VK2KFU @ VK2AAB.NSW.AUS.OC     PGP 2.3
[e-mail]           ...munnari!esi.COM.AU!dave    available

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